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		<title>NNTP readers on OS X are built from failure</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the office where I work we use/maintain a newsgroup server with a variety of internal newsgroups where everything from items for sale to complaints and hassles are posted. Late last year I went pretty much all-Mac, all the time, with a Remote Desktop window connected to a Windows machine in the office which I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the office where I work we use/maintain a newsgroup server with a variety of internal newsgroups where everything from items for sale to complaints and hassles are posted. Late last year I went pretty much all-Mac, all the time, with a Remote Desktop window connected to a Windows machine in the office which I used for Outlook (because we're an Exchange shop) and Thunderbird (to read the newsgroups). Wondering if I could cut ties a little further, I looked into NNTP readers for OS X.</p>

<p>A small bit of background first: I'm using Snow Leopard and I'm unwilling to deal with the vagaries of less-than-native clients. This means that I'm not using ported Unix apps. So no Gnews, newspost, Pan, Pine, Slrn, or Tin. <em>Those are right out.</em></p>

<p>This left me with a list cobbled together from MacUpdate:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.panic.com/unison/">Unison</a>, $24.95 from <a href="https://www.panic.com/">Panic</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.malcom-mac.com/get/mac/nemo">Nemo</a>, $14.95 from <a href="http://www.malcom-mac.com/">Malcom Mac</a></li>
<li><a href="http://home.snafu.de/stk/macsoup/">MacSoup</a>, $20.00 from <a href="http://home.snafu.de/">Stefan Haller</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.platinumball.net/pineapple/news/macosx/">Pineapple News</a>, free from <a href="http://www.platinumball.net/">Allen Brunson</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.edv-consulting-berlin.de/Xnntp/">Xnntp</a>, free from <a href="http://www.edv-consulting-berlin.de/">EDV Consulting</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.asar.com/hogwasher.html">Hogwasher</a>, $49.00 from <a href="http://www.asar.com/">Asar</a></li>
<li><a href="http://osxnews.sourceforge.net/new2/">OSXNews</a>, free from <a href="http://sourceforge.net/users/anurodhp">Anurodh Pokharel</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/">MT-NewsWatcher</a>, Donation requested, from <a href="http://www.smfr.org/">Simon Fraser</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.maxprog.com/site/software/internet-tools/maxnews_sheet_us.php">MaxNews</a>, $20 from <a href="http://www.maxprog.com">MaxProg</a></li>
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<p>I had intended this to be a marginally comprehensive review of my time using these clients, but I barely got into the account setup with most of them, if I installed them at all. Here's how it broke down…</p>

<p><span id="more-734"></span>
<a href="http://www.panic.com/unison/">Unison</a> looks like crap; It hasn't been updated in since 2-26-08, and it has quirks under Leopard and Snow Leopard that I'm just not prepared to deal with. It feels dated, by which I mean it doesn't look good by modern Aqua standards; it also uses multiple windows to manage a lot of it's information. It feels like it's really based around the filesharing on Usenet, instead of being a general-purpose NNTP reader, which led me to uninstall it within five minutes. It's probably the worst looking <a href="http://panic.com/">Panic</a> application (but one of the better looking ones in this list), which is unusual for a company who is often considered the vanguard of independent Mac development.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.malcom-mac.com/get/mac/nemo">Nemo</a>? So much promise. <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/nemox?hl=en">So god damned buggy</a>. Poorly translated. Unfortunately priced given the wide-ranging nature of the bugs. These are fixable (and the price would be reasonable otherwise), but the simple fact of the matter is that this client is an example of how not to use cocoa frameworks. Didn't even make it to "use" because once it littered the root of my hard drive with empty files, I trashed it.</p>

<blockquote>
  <h3>UPDATE</h3>
  
  <p>The <a href="http://www.malcom-mac.com/">Malcom-Mac</a> site is down for "scheduled maintenance" and the developer of Nemo has <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/nemox/browse_thread/thread/818427082fffa9f1?hl=en">stated his desire to squash these outstanding bugs and polish his software</a>. I'll revisit this in a few months time.</p>
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<p><a href="http://home.snafu.de/stk/macsoup/">MacSoup</a>? No idea. It asked me to create a "settings file" to create a new database for news and mail. Obviously doesn't get what "native" client means. Looks like it's using old quickdraw calls to render the UI. Never set up accounts in it.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.platinumball.net/pineapple/news/macosx/">Pineapple News</a> is free but the custom icons look <em>extremely</em> janky compared to the "standard" icons they're replacing. After setting up accounts it just hurt to use. It's visually grating on the eyes.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.edv-consulting-berlin.de/Xnntp/">Xnntp</a> has an installer. <em>Aint no damned reason for that</em>. It's a bloody NNTP reader. It doesn't need to create system files. OS X uses the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_Bundle">application bundle format</a> for a reason.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.asar.com/hogwasher.html">Hogwasher</a> looks like an old Hotwire<sup id="fnref:1"><a href="#fn:1" rel="footnote">1</a></sup> client that someone stripped the filesharing out of and glued NNTP support to. It costs a lot of money (and maybe it took a lot of time to develop) but it's just god damned unusable. Trashed within minutes.</p>

<p><a href="http://osxnews.sourceforge.net/new2/">OSXnews</a> looks awful too. Probably works better than Nemo, but has a distinct level of spit and polish missing. Never even got to setting up my newsgroup account. The author stated in July of 2007 that he was working on version 3. I wrote this in October of 2009, just to</p>

<p>I cannot stress how terrible the experience with <a href="http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/">MT-NewsWatcher</a> was. It is basically an old Classic Mac application that has been updated just enough to sort-of run under OS X. It took a while to do anything, and it might be the worst looking of all of these clients. Apparently, Classic Mac OS users love it because it still looks and works like a Classic Mac application. Just so we're clear, I fucking hated the Classic Mac OS.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.maxprog.com/site/software/internet-tools/maxnews_sheet_us.php">MaxNews</a> was downloaded, but at this point I gave up and just installed the <a href="http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/">Thunderbird 3 beta</a>. Is it a little overkill? Yes. Is it a little bloated? Yes. But it just works, and it works well.</p>

<p>So what happened? I think that a few options are plausible: these developers date to a different era, with different development mores and means. They may think that people still using NNTP  don't care about their clients looking or working like complete shit, or they may think that because NNTP and Usenet as a whole date to an era where people would just roll their own GUIs or slap some shit together in curses and call it a Usenet client, they can still get away with that sort of behavior and worse still, get away with charing money for it.</p>

<p>So, am I being a bit of a snobby dick and trashing developers hard work?<br />
Yes, I am.</p>

<p>But when the honorable mention you give to Thunderbird 3 (which is in beta right now, and more usable than anything else I listed) is the best thing you have to say about Mac OS X NNTP clients, the whole damned situation is in a sad sorry state of affairs. And if you're going to ask me to pay money for something, you'd better give me something worth paying money for. So this attempt to review these clients has ended in abortive failure, and concession to get by with the least worst option available.</p>

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<li id="fn:1">
<p>Hotwire was a file-sharing service where a tracker would host files, and users would usually have to meet some insanely arbitrary condition to get access to download them. It enforced limits and ratios, and some trackers were commercial. Pretty sure it's extremely dead now. <a href="#fnref:1" rev="footnote">↩</a></p>
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